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HOOK: "— the dismembered mutilated body, particularly of Africans, of black people. There’s too many examples to enumerate, I’ll just give one. I remember watching a documentary in South Africa, it was something like 40 years, 40th anniversary of the SABC, South African Broadcasting Corporation. And there was the scene, it was an image of a man’s head and it was like, kind of — the camera zoomed out, and to begin with, you could see just the face of someone, and then, of course — and the face looked fine. It didn't look anything wrong with it. And the more the camera zoomed out, you could see that this was just the shell, the front of a man’s face and there'd been a bomb. As part of the research on all of this, I ended up trying to locate the journalist when that image that so affected me, and indeed you could say, I hate to admit it, but presumably my fantasy and my phantasmatic preoccupation with the image is precisely what drove the research. There was some frisson, some jouissance — again, I hate to say it, presumably in the gruesome image that motivated the whole thing."