HEILEMANN: "I will say, Joe, to your initial comment about this, about this is the kind of thing your grandfather says when he’s old and losing it in front of the television, that’s true if your grandfather is a racist, if that's your old racist grandfather that talks like that to the TV set. So it's not everyone's grandfather who talks like that to the television, only the ones who don’t like brown-skinned people."
SCARBROOUGH: "I certainly did not mean that to mean everybody. Hold on."
HEILEMANN: "I know you didn’t."
SCARBOROUGH: "My grandfather was just fine. Let me just say, everybody knows that granddad and grandmom and people with early onset of dementia, I know this, say things that they would have never said five or six years ago. Just ask members of my family and my mom about how they’ll say stinging things about you or other people. I’m just saying, yeah."