EXCERPT:
CARAFANO: “Look, I do policy, I don’t do politics. I don’t know why politicians say what they say. I just look at the analysis on the ground. And the reality is, the Russians have no place to go here. And this is -- this is classic Putin. This is what he always does, he meets with Erdogan, he meets with people. you know, there’s a disaster, he shows up and he goes how can I make hay out of this. But the reality is -- is -- is Russia has not dramatically improved its strategic position here. And that’s --"
CASONE: "OK."
CARAFANO: "-- that's incredibly unlikely to change."