EXCERPT:
UNGAR-SARGON: “I’m sorry. This person was objectively terrible at his job.”
PHILLIP: “Why do you say that?”
UNGAR-SARGON: “Because we bombed Fordow in June, and he said right after that — and it was leaked right after that at a sensitive time that we only set it back, the Iranians’ capabilities, nuclear capabilities by months. It has been months since then, it’s been two months since then. This was obviously nonsense. The Israeli intelligence told us that we had set it back by years. It was obvious from the footage that the report could only have been this wrong if it was politically motivated.”
PHILLIP: “That is only the view you would come to if you don’t understand how intelligence gathering works, and/or you don’t care how intelligence gathering works, and you don’t appreciate the fact that more information is gathered over time, and that there are often disagreements between agencies about what they understand to be the facts of the situation. All of that is normal. None of that is new. Not every assessment is all the same, because that would negate the point of having multiple agencies doing assessments.”
UNGAR-SARGON: “That’s why you shouldn’t allow sensitive assessments that are going to be proved to be very wrong very quickly — “
FUGELSANG: “When Donald Trump bombs Iran, when he bombs Iran again in four months, what will you say? When he bombs Iran again, when the Epstein papers flare up and he has to go there again — “
UNGAR-SARGON: “I know you can just sit here and make stuff up and then not feel responsible four months from now to come back and say, ‘I was wrong, I was wrong about that.’”