EXCERPT:
JOLLY: "No. Mehdi, I say this with conviction: I think Ron DeSantis is far more dangerous than Donald Trump, for a very specific reason. Donald Trump is willing to ignore the rules, ignore the Constitution, and frankly lead to the incitement of January 6th. But Donald Trump is a transactional figure. He will do whatever it takes to win. Ron DeSantis, I believe, actually in his ethos is a culture warrior who wants to take us back 100 years and believes he can use the Constitution to that end, and ultimately has a very dark vision of what America will be. So the idea of pardoning January 6th convicts, if you will, at this point, is because he believes we are engaged in a real war that he has to win. Ron DeSantis is a very dark figure in the political landscape, far more dangerous than Donald Trump."