EXCERPT:
AVLON: "Look, the bipartisan consensus in more American foreign policy is we should stand up against tyrants and terrorists, right, and I do believe that. And I do think that we learned a lot in the wake of the Iraq war. But the fact is, is that right now, if you’re strong on national security, one party’s leader seems to be trying to weaken NATO, and the other party has expanded it and strengthened it."
LOWRY: "A lot of that is working them to try to get them to spend more. But I don’t see — the Afghan withdrawal, does this compute at all in your — "
AVLON: "There’s no reason Pompeo should have negotiated with the Taliban alone in Doha."
LOWRY: "But it was a conditions-based thing. Biden didn’t accept anything else that Trump did, except he was supposedly forced by Trump to do a withdrawal. That was totally incompetent, dishonorable, a disgrace. His presidency has not recovered from it since, and our position abroad hasn’t recovered from it since."
McMASTER: "And I think you can draw a direct line from that disastrous, humiliating withdrawal to the re-invasion of Ukraine in February of 2022. I mean, I think what’s weakness — what is provocative is the perception of weakness."