EXCERPT:
O'BRIEN: "It was very high cost in brainpower and low cost in economics."
GEIST: "Yeah."
O'BRIEN: "They took 18 months to plan this. I mean, it's really quite extraordinary. It's one of the reasons I always get so angry when people say Ukraine can't win the war. Russia has all the cards. Russia is so strong. The Ukrainian military is more adaptive. It's more creative. It actually has the ability to plan these kinds of operations that so far the Russians don't. Ukraine can win the war. But how did they do this? They started realizing that Russian bases, particularly a long way from Ukraine, were really still poorly defended.”