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STEIN: “Well, I mean it’s partially because of misinformation. I don’t want to understate that. I think a lot of people are confused even though there is now plenty of anecdotal data, if not overwhelming data, to suggest that it’s completely safe, if not really important to get vaccinated. But I also think it’s important that vaccinations have become a token of a political identity, right? I mean, to go unvaccinated is to prove you are conservative bona fides."
BRZEZINSKI: "Well, that's just another way to push around misinformation."
STEIN: "Right. I think that's true. But I think the degree to which they're, like, intertwined at this juncture is truly scary."
BRZEZINSKI: "Yeah. It's irresponsible."
STEIN: "And I thought about this a little bit. Like, what if Trump were in office right now and pushing vaccinations? Would we be in a much better place? I think so, actually."
BRZEZINSKI: "Well — "