CHUCK TODD: I guess I would ask this. Couldn't you bring up all of those, all of those issues, lay all of that out, without using the word, stolen? And I throw that out there, because we have enough distrust in our institutions as it is. --
SEN. SHERROD BROWN: Well -- don’t, wait, don’t --
CHUCK TODD: --Does that add to it?
SEN. SHERROD BROWN: Okay, Chuck. Don't do the false equivalency of, of, of, the, you know, the lack of respect in institutions. I mean, we have a president that attacks your profession day after day after day. You, if you saw the earlier part of my election-night speech, you would've heard me thank the media. And you would've seen hundreds of people in Ohio, on the Democratic -- at this election-night gathering, turn around and clap for the media. We see a president that goes after the courts, that goes after the judicial system, a president that says, as the votes were counted, that something's been wrong with the elections. He criticizes the elections that way. So don't play this false equivalency. Because a former secretary of state, like me, said that about this election, which clearly is an effort to suppress the vote, not of people that look like you and me, Chuck--
CHUCK TODD: Right.
SEN. SHERROD BROWN: --but people of color especially. And it's happened. Now spend your air time-- I don't mean to lecture--
CHUCK TODD: No, no, no, I, look --
SEN. SHERROD BROWN: -- but spend your airtime critical of those people who are trying to suppress the vote.
CHUCK TODD: And we spend a lot of time criticizing that, too. I'm just asking you about choice of words and language.
SEN. SHERROD BROWN: Sure.
CHUCK TODD: But I take your point. Let's talk about the presidency.